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Re: The stories white guys tell themselves

Unread postby Widetrack » August 14th, 2012, 5:31 am

MrLordstown wrote:
The self-made man myth needs to be exploded. It dangerously serves the interests of the top 1 percent. Hard work is an important component of success, but it's not the only one. Government plays a pivotal role, from making college affordable to protecting workers from exploitati


If only the government could just give everyone free stuff. What a great world this would be. :roll:


Hey, here is a better idea. Let's elect someone who made his millions by raping companies and sending the jobs overseas. Then, let Bain Capital take care of the workers who lost their jobs. That would be better, right? Make Bain responsible, that's the American way. No more freebies for Bain.....

They are still doing it. Latest plant closing here...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012 ... utsourcing

Cry all you want about "free stuff" , but it is insulting to all the hard working Americans who had a job and lost it due outsourcing. It isn't a "career choice" to go on unemployment or get food stamps, it's a survival choice. Nothing like kicking em when they're down....
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Re: The stories white guys tell themselves

Unread postby MrLordstown » August 14th, 2012, 8:20 am

Widetrack wrote:
MrLordstown wrote:
The self-made man myth needs to be exploded. It dangerously serves the interests of the top 1 percent. Hard work is an important component of success, but it's not the only one. Government plays a pivotal role, from making college affordable to protecting workers from exploitati


If only the government could just give everyone free stuff. What a great world this would be. :roll:


Hey, here is a better idea. Let's elect someone who made his millions by raping companies and sending the jobs overseas. Then, let Bain Capital take care of the workers who lost their jobs. That would be better, right? Make Bain responsible, that's the American way. No more freebies for Bain.....

They are still doing it. Latest plant closing here...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012 ... utsourcing

Cry all you want about "free stuff" , but it is insulting to all the hard working Americans who had a job and lost it due outsourcing. It isn't a "career choice" to go on unemployment or get food stamps, it's a survival choice. Nothing like kicking em when they're down....

Actually it IS a CAREER choice for a plethora of people.
Sure there are some on these programs due to outsorcing, or some other thing beyond their control. However, more and more people are chosing this as a life decision, and have zero plans to ever do anything else.
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Re: The stories white guys tell themselves

Unread postby Widetrack » August 14th, 2012, 10:11 pm

MrLordstown wrote:
Widetrack wrote:
MrLordstown wrote:
The self-made man myth needs to be exploded. It dangerously serves the interests of the top 1 percent. Hard work is an important component of success, but it's not the only one. Government plays a pivotal role, from making college affordable to protecting workers from exploitati


If only the government could just give everyone free stuff. What a great world this would be. :roll:


Hey, here is a better idea. Let's elect someone who made his millions by raping companies and sending the jobs overseas. Then, let Bain Capital take care of the workers who lost their jobs. That would be better, right? Make Bain responsible, that's the American way. No more freebies for Bain.....

They are still doing it. Latest plant closing here...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012 ... utsourcing

Cry all you want about "free stuff" , but it is insulting to all the hard working Americans who had a job and lost it due outsourcing. It isn't a "career choice" to go on unemployment or get food stamps, it's a survival choice. Nothing like kicking em when they're down....

Actually it IS a CAREER choice for a plethora of people.
Sure there are some on these programs due to outsorcing, or some other thing beyond their control. However, more and more people are chosing this as a life decision, and have zero plans to ever do anything else.


You need to find a better class of people to run with. I know this will come as a shock to you, but 99% of Americans want work, can work, and will work if given a fair chance.
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Re: The stories white guys tell themselves

Unread postby MrLordstown » August 15th, 2012, 1:03 pm

Widetrack wrote:
You need to find a better class of people to run with. I know this will come as a shock to you, but 99% of Americans want work, can work, and will work if given a fair chance.


Really?? :shock: 99% want to work :?: :roll:
Glad to see you pulled this number out of thin air, with no factual information.


Here is some truth for you (according to the US Census Dept.)
1)43% of people on welfare have been there for 20+ years.
(I guess it just takes a while for someone who wants to work to find the right job)

2)SNAP has went from 17 million to 45 million people.
(I guess those commercials are working. Yes, they do have TV ads for food stamps)

3)Around 100 million people are on welfare currently.
(the USA entire population is 314 million. Does that egual 99%?)


I really don't have a problem with everyone collecting free stuff. Just wondering who is going to pay for it?
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Re: The stories white guys tell themselves

Unread postby Widetrack » August 16th, 2012, 8:40 am

Yes, really. Employment, working, earning a living; whatever you call it fulfills a basic human need. It's in the DNA. You can go ahead and stew in your outrage over "welfare" and "free stuff" but it reveals a limited understanding of the situation. If you say 100 million are on welfare, well, in your mind it's true. Think about this: EVERYONE is getting some kind of break, payment, paycheck, tax exemption, tax credit, snap, "welfare", so that figure should be 314 million. :shock: Sorry, you'll never sleep again worrying about that number, but from the richest down to the poorest Americans, we all have our hands out. All that outrage about "free stuff" and "welfare" might better be channeled in a different direction. ;)
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Re: The stories white guys tell themselves

Unread postby MrLordstown » August 17th, 2012, 8:47 am

Widetrack wrote:Yes, really. Employment, working, earning a living; whatever you call it fulfills a basic human need. It's in the DNA. You can go ahead and stew in your outrage over "welfare" and "free stuff" but it reveals a limited understanding of the situation. If you say 100 million are on welfare, well, in your mind it's true. Think about this: EVERYONE is getting some kind of break, payment, paycheck, tax exemption, tax credit, snap, "welfare", so that figure should be 314 million. :shock: Sorry, you'll never sleep again worrying about that number, but from the richest down to the poorest Americans, we all have our hands out. All that outrage about "free stuff" and "welfare" might better be channeled in a different direction. ;)

OMG wake up!!!

Having your hand out on occasion (like you rant about above), and having it extended 24/7 are two totally different animals.

If it's in the "DNA" to work as you claim, then explain how so many people are on welfare for 20+ years?
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Re: The stories white guys tell themselves

Unread postby janesville86er » August 17th, 2012, 9:21 am

MrLordstown wrote:
Widetrack wrote:Yes, really. Employment, working, earning a living; whatever you call it fulfills a basic human need. It's in the DNA. You can go ahead and stew in your outrage over "welfare" and "free stuff" but it reveals a limited understanding of the situation. If you say 100 million are on welfare, well, in your mind it's true. Think about this: EVERYONE is getting some kind of break, payment, paycheck, tax exemption, tax credit, snap, "welfare", so that figure should be 314 million. :shock: Sorry, you'll never sleep again worrying about that number, but from the richest down to the poorest Americans, we all have our hands out. All that outrage about "free stuff" and "welfare" might better be channeled in a different direction. ;)

OMG wake up!!!

Having your hand out on occasion (like you rant about above), and having it extended 24/7 are two totally different animals.

If it's in the "DNA" to work as you claim, then explain how so many people are on welfare for 20+ years?


(like you rant about above) RANT? :? :(
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Re: The stories white guys tell themselves

Unread postby MrLordstown » August 18th, 2012, 7:56 am

janesville86er wrote:
MrLordstown wrote:
Widetrack wrote:Yes, really. Employment, working, earning a living; whatever you call it fulfills a basic human need. It's in the DNA. You can go ahead and stew in your outrage over "welfare" and "free stuff" but it reveals a limited understanding of the situation. If you say 100 million are on welfare, well, in your mind it's true. Think about this: EVERYONE is getting some kind of break, payment, paycheck, tax exemption, tax credit, snap, "welfare", so that figure should be 314 million. :shock: Sorry, you'll never sleep again worrying about that number, but from the richest down to the poorest Americans, we all have our hands out. All that outrage about "free stuff" and "welfare" might better be channeled in a different direction. ;)

OMG wake up!!!

Having your hand out on occasion (like you rant about above), and having it extended 24/7 are two totally different animals.

If it's in the "DNA" to work as you claim, then explain how so many people are on welfare for 20+ years?


(like you rant about above) RANT? :? :(


Hey Janesvill86er, it's OK if you don't have an answer to the presented Question. No one does.
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Re: The stories white guys tell themselves

Unread postby janesville86er » August 18th, 2012, 8:46 am

MrLordstown wrote:
janesville86er wrote:
MrLordstown wrote:
Widetrack wrote:Yes, really. Employment, working, earning a living; whatever you call it fulfills a basic human need. It's in the DNA. You can go ahead and stew in your outrage over "welfare" and "free stuff" but it reveals a limited understanding of the situation. If you say 100 million are on welfare, well, in your mind it's true. Think about this: EVERYONE is getting some kind of break, payment, paycheck, tax exemption, tax credit, snap, "welfare", so that figure should be 314 million. :shock: Sorry, you'll never sleep again worrying about that number, but from the richest down to the poorest Americans, we all have our hands out. All that outrage about "free stuff" and "welfare" might better be channeled in a different direction. ;)

OMG wake up!!!

Having your hand out on occasion (like you rant about above), and having it extended 24/7 are two totally different animals.

If it's in the "DNA" to work as you claim, then explain how so many people are on welfare for 20+ years?


(like you rant about above) RANT? :? :(


Hey Janesvill86er, it's OK if you don't have an answer to the presented Question. No one does.
You also seen to avoid questions, and rely on a lot of name calling recently ;)
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Re: The stories white guys tell themselves

Unread postby Firebug » August 18th, 2012, 10:25 am

The battle you guys are waging here is all over semantics. There aren't any real studies on whether or not people want to work or do nothing. If you ask someone if they would rather work than collect welfare, their answer will be to work. But when it pays better to be on welfare, than to get an entry level job that's the problem. The concept of having your kids do better than you did has been the concept for many generations. If you start from a middle class status you may move up to upper middle class. If you start from poor, you can move up to lower middle class. There usually is no jump from poor to rich (barring the lottery). Rags to riches is a very very slim chance.

Romney started out in the privileged class, he wasn't going to end up poor or middle class. His attraction of the un-educated, working class white guy to his camp is based upon his belief that government gets in the way of success. The working class, tired of paying high taxes and seeing little in return to them are flocking to the Romney camp. The latest Obama concept of equal outcome instead of equal opportunity scares the working class. If there are no winners and losers in life or economics, then they are all mediocre losers. The concept of risk/reward is lost.

Welfare as a way of life has been around for several generations now. It is a hard cycle to break. The only way to stop or slow it down is to make it less attractive than an entry level job. It is easier to find a better paying job if you have a job, nobody starts at the top.
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