FACTORYRAT

Your Dynamic Voice of Solidarity
It is currently September 2nd, 2014, 10:05 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 198 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 ... 20  Next
Author Message
Unread postPosted: April 4th, 2012, 8:40 am 
Offline

Joined: March 31st, 2012, 8:24 am
Posts: 57
How much longer can we continue to just PRINT MONEY with nothing backing it, before the entire system implodes??


Top
 Profile  
 
Unread postPosted: April 6th, 2012, 6:40 am 
Offline

Joined: February 3rd, 2011, 9:12 am
Posts: 528
The problem is fraud, waste, inefficiency, price gouging, too many middle men to administer too many different plans. The system imploded long ago, thats why the working poor have no health insurance.


Top
 Profile  
 
Unread postPosted: April 9th, 2012, 8:41 am 
Offline

Joined: March 15th, 2011, 2:16 am
Posts: 332
I recommend scanning and printing bills off your computer and mailing it to the U.S. treasury for tax day. If they have any complaints just tell them that you are paying off your debt the same way they do.

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
Unread postPosted: April 29th, 2012, 2:19 pm 
Offline

Joined: February 18th, 2011, 5:57 pm
Posts: 440
A retired Constitutional lawyer has read the entire proposed healthcare bill. Read his conclusions and pass this on as you wish.



The Truth About the Health Care Bills - Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney


Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.



To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.



The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government.



However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.




The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.



The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.



This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.



If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.



So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law It doesn't stop there though.



The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;



The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.


I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution. If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.



For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.



Michael Connelly
Retired attorney,
Constitutional Law Instructor
Carrollton, Texas


Top
 Profile  
 
Unread postPosted: April 29th, 2012, 3:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: February 4th, 2011, 11:38 pm
Posts: 942
Location: the D
If you believe any of the polls, the vast majority of Americans are happy with the current health system and do not want a change. That won't cause the court to vote one way or another, but if they throw the law out (and IMO they will) it will all be left up to the states (like Romneycare). I would like to see it more like auto insurance. You shop for the best policy and don't have to depend on your employer for coverage. In theory you could move, change jobs, whatever, and keep your same policy- just change coverage as needed. Never happen because employers like to be in control.


Top
 Profile  
 
Unread postPosted: April 29th, 2012, 4:01 pm 
Offline

Joined: February 18th, 2011, 5:57 pm
Posts: 440
Widetrack wrote:
If you believe any of the polls, the vast majority of Americans are happy with the current health system and do not want a change. That won't cause the court to vote one way or another, but if they throw the law out (and IMO they will) it will all be left up to the states (like Romneycare). I would like to see it more like auto insurance. You shop for the best policy and don't have to depend on your employer for coverage. In theory you could move, change jobs, whatever, and keep your same policy- just change coverage as needed. Never happen because employers like to be in control.


Of course they'd be happy, because everybody wants to pay lower costs. Too bad those lower costs are artificial, rather than true real market form competitively. The government sets the cost, at the behest of the insurance companies who can no longer compete among themselves, so they go out of business. Kind of like, for example, a tube of toothpaste costs $2. Well, the government says well, that's too high so we'll subsidize it so the new price is $1. People love that, and will buy it up! Unfortunately for the toothpaste makers, they are losing .50 on the dollar for each tube sold, and they'll eventually go out of business, which in turn causes shortages and higher prices. Look around...Europe...Venezuela....it doesn't work, and the goal is for that to happen here. People get lower prices from companies competing for your business. Hate on the companies all you want, but they'll compete for your business and you'd benefit from making your own choice. Here, the choice is made for you. There's no competition, because the government is the alpha and the omega and tells you what you want, whether you want it or not. And, like in this case, if you don't want it, YOU get penalized.

November can't come fast enough to get these absolute numbskulls out of office. Socialism is for the people, not the socialists.


Top
 Profile  
 
Unread postPosted: April 29th, 2012, 8:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: February 4th, 2011, 11:38 pm
Posts: 942
Location: the D
I'm not surprised you didn't really catch my meaning. Americans are usually happy with their healthcare because the cost is hidden. The cost is tax exempt for the employee, so that cost is hidden, and it's a write off for the employer. The first thing is to remove both the tax exemption and fully tax the health care benefit as it is - INCOME. So, you are right about that- the feds subsidize the cost of employer provided health care. Once we are done with that, everyone can finally see the true cost of their health care and make decisions about cost. They should be able to ditch the employer provided health care and shop around. Why don't we? Employers like to have us like indentured servants, stuck with them and no alternatives.

If you think that the big health companies are going broke, you are so wrong.
http://www.mibiz.com/news/health-biz/19 ... 2011-.html

The biggies like the Blues like the current system. They are making money and they don't want us to shop around. You can blame the govt as you usually do, but if you look up the definition of "monopoly" you might see why we are stuck with the current system. I don't hate the companies, but they are the biggest roadblock to changing to a more efficient system. Thats why I compared it to auto insurance. You don't have to change your auto policy every time you change jobs, do you? Of course not.

All of this health care policy was set up during WWll and ever since we have been stuck with it. Plenty of info on the web on this topic.
http://www.pbs.org/healthcarecrisis/history.htm

Even if the obamacare is struck down, we are still stuck with a high cost business with no competition and no incentive to change. Tax it as income and you will see some change real fast.

Oh, and Micheal Connelly (not the crime author) is a self-promoter with a product to sell on the tea party circuit.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/health ... itutional/


Top
 Profile  
 
Unread postPosted: April 29th, 2012, 10:38 pm 
Offline

Joined: April 26th, 2011, 10:00 am
Posts: 90
Buying healthcare should be like buying auto insurance?

I can see it now. Be a preferred customer by exercising 5 days a week.
Eating a vegetarian diet.
Not smoking.
Not drinking.
No STD's.
No tattoos.

Sick more than once a year? Excess calls to a Dr? Pre existing medical condition?
Well, now you get assigned to our risk pool. Don't like that? Shop around. See if you get a better deal.

No matter what anyone thinks, the general working public will get screwed. (no medical coverage for that).


Top
 Profile  
 
Unread postPosted: April 29th, 2012, 10:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: May 4th, 2011, 1:19 am
Posts: 411
This is all really simple. If the insurance companies didn't want this bill to pass, it wouldn't of. Liz Fowler and her lobbying group wellpoint lobbied for the bill. They work for BCBS and other health care companies. Propaganda has people turning this into a false issue to give the perception of a battle so the useful idiots clamer on about there favorite baseball team. If obamacare is gonna cost more than proposed, than great for the companies, more money for them. As others have pointed out, there is no competition, so they win regardless.

_________________
Thank a tier 2 for your pay check


Top
 Profile  
 
Unread postPosted: April 29th, 2012, 10:54 pm 
Offline

Joined: March 31st, 2012, 8:24 am
Posts: 57
What all of you numbskulls fail to realize is that the majority of the American population is very happy having the government run their lives. This is why Obama will get re-elected with ease.

They like to be given free stuff, not have to worry about getting sick, and spend all they want even if they can't afford it.
They do not care if the government basically owns them, as long as their corner of the world is business as usual.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 198 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 ... 20  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group